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Post by Mike Chiesl on Aug 23, 2012 21:46:43 GMT -5
HELLO Final 3!!!  First I would like to say congrats on making the end. All 3 well deserved. I knew all 3 of you before this game, so I am happy to see you all there/kind of jealous that it isn't me...but whatever  Since this is a Fans vs. Favorites and we have 3 favorites in the end I thought I would enlist the help of some fans of yours from your initial seasons to help me with this decision     These "friends" may seem familiar to you! I think the main thing for a game like this is obviously to do better than you did the first time around (which I failed to do) and you all did that. Hopefully these "Friends" will help you remember your first times playing and how you did better this time. Which brings me to my questions! ALL: 1) What was the main thing you learned from your initial season that helped you prosper in this game? 2) What main thing did the the other Favorites in the jury (Eliza, Mike, Judd) do to improve from their initial game (if any)? 3) Since we did not make the finals, what did the other Favorites in the jury (Eliza, Mike, Judd) not learn from their first time that would have helped this time? 4) Since it was the fans first chance, and non of them made the finals, what main thing do they (Kelly, Ace, Mary, Kourtney) need to learn to help them for the next time they play (if they make all stars) this series? 5) What was your biggest strategic move this game, that is the reason you are in the finals and why? 6) What do you think I could have done differently to survive the round I left, or survive further in general? 7) Since I have played with all of you before in other series you should know somewhat about me. If the round I left was not a double tribal council round, I think I would have stayed (not sure completely, but you guys would know that), how far do you think I would have gotten, and what do you think my strategy would have been moving forward in trying to get to the end. (Lets say Mary was the one that left). TED AND BOB DAWG: I was a little surprised at my vote off mostly because of you two . Like Bob Dawg mentioned earlier, he wanted to vote Kelly off over me but didn't in the long run, and Ted mentioned voting Kelly because Coach didn't want to vote her out. If you both thought at least Mary, Eliza and I were voting Kelly you could have for sure gotten her out over me, if you wanted. (I admit I underestimated both of your needs for me, so I thought you both would have kept me, so well played ) I just want to know why neither of you tried to go against what Coach wanted and just vote Kelly off, when I could have been saved? Especially since you all voted Coach off the next round anyway.  We had talked about playing on the same side forever, and we never do grrr.... lol Was our agreement to work together on opposite sides real? It was on my end for a few rounds, until I realized that maybe it wasn't on your end. Again like above, I think you could have done more to keep me the round I left, and vote Kelly off, so I just want to know the reasoning behind it.  I was completely fooled by you, so good job! I really did think you were against Ted. I knew you were playing both sides, but I thought you were more on my side and just lying to them, but I was wrong, and that I think was part of my mistake. Did it actually cross your mind at all to work with Eliza and I and try to get Ted out, or was it just part of your spy rouse? If you did think about it, what did you plan on doing the next few rounds?  Sausage 3 WOOT WOOT!!!! When we first talked week 1 and even before the game, we talked about an old Salchicha alliance (which I wanted at that time)...then we were never on the tribe until merge, then with both our schedules/computer issues we could barely talk and I was just wondering if you think we ended up together at somepoint before the merge if you think we would have teamed up. Good luck again to all of you! |
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Post by Jay Byars on Aug 23, 2012 22:22:56 GMT -5
1) What was the main thing you learned from your initial season that helped you prosper in this game?
Not to out and out trust someone so early on as I did with people like Matt, Sydney & Chelsea last year. From this I made the rounds before properly trusting anyone in the game and it worked, I took my time over building my alliance and now here I stand in the final 3.
2) What main thing did the the other Favorites in the jury (Eliza, Mike, Judd) do to improve from their initial game (if any)?
This is probably going to sounds bad but I honestly have little to no idea about how seasons 1 & 2 played out so I can't really answer this. Also i'm not going to bullshit and sweet talk you for a vote, that's not me so I have to say you honestly didn't improve your game this time round and more or less played the same tactic you did before, hence my vote for you, The same gameplay won't work twice
3) Since we did not make the finals, what did the other Favorites in the jury (Eliza, Mike, Judd) not learn from their first time that would have helped this time?
Again I can't really answer this fully so i'll state the things you did wrong in this game ultimately leading to your downfall.
Judd - Placing too much trust in Bob and being so open with the information he was told, he just couldn't be trusted
Mike - Spending so much time away from the game, I know you were on vacation a lot but you can't really expect to perform well under those circumstances
Eliza - Being so easily manipulated, she just handed immunity over to Ted from what I was told and she just seemed to believe everything which was said to her
4) Since it was the fans first chance, and non of them made the finals, what main thing do they (Kelly, Ace, Mary, Kourtney) need to learn to help them for the next time they play (if they make all stars) this series?
Kourtney - To not play so aggressively in the tribal stages of the game. It painted a huge target on her back and just showed how cut throat she really is
Mary - We both made the same mistake in our original season and overly trusted the wrong person, I made finals my second time so she might well do on hers!
Ace - Don't go willingly and openly backstabbing an alliance that had your back till the end, it won't end well
Kelly - To secure herself with a solid alliance before she goes all night/day in an endurance comp, it puts you on a huge reliability to win immunity and it's not something everyone can always adhere to, as we saw with Kelly
5) What was your biggest strategic move this game, that is the reason you are in the finals and why?
Creating the incredible social game I did, it allowed me access endless information about the game and never be a target for the vote, this is something I did over both other finalists. Ted was targetted for the final 2 votes and Bob himself has said he had to rely on immunity as he didn't feel safe in the end stages of the game, me on the other hand felt incredibly safe most of the time, besides the double vote because of the bonds I had created.
6) What do you think I could have done differently to survive the round I left, or survive further in general?
Don't play when you're going to have such a conflicting schedule
7) Since I have played with all of you before in other series you should know somewhat about me. If the round I left was not a double tribal council round, I think I would have stayed (not sure completely, but you guys would know that), how far do you think I would have gotten, and what do you think my strategy would have been moving forward in trying to get to the end. (Lets say Mary was the one that left).
You would have stayed if it was a single vote, Mary would have gone. I think you would have only potentially made it through another round, depending on the immunity, had Coach had won, you or Kelly would have probably gone, had Coach lost he would have gone more than likely followed by you. I don't think you could have cracked the Gwad alliance and so for this reason wouldn't have lasted much longer.
When we first talked week 1 and even before the game, we talked about an old Salchicha alliance (which I wanted at that time)...then we were never on the tribe until merge, then with both our schedules/computer issues we could barely talk and
I was just wondering if you think we ended up together at somepoint before the merge if you think we would have teamed up.
I think we would have 100%, you were actually the first person to ever propose some kind of alliance to me and I would have been dumb to actually say no, but when I started to settle in the alliance I ultimately ended up in I saw no real use of you to me, but I think we would have definitely worked together had we joined a tribe sooner. |
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Post by Eliza Orlins on Aug 23, 2012 22:35:50 GMT -5
Seriously, Jay, do you even know how the whole "Eliza gave Ted immunity" thing really went down?  |
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Post by Coach on Aug 23, 2012 22:37:42 GMT -5
Mike should win honourary second place for this thread title tbh.
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Post by Jay Byars on Aug 23, 2012 22:48:25 GMT -5
Seriously, Jay, do you even know how the whole "Eliza gave Ted immunity" thing really went down? Only what I was told, all I cared about was Ted being immune, not how he got it, just as long as he did |
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Post by Captain Bob Dawg on Aug 24, 2012 0:28:20 GMT -5
I'll answer this and coach's between classes tomorrow. Sorry for the delay no Internet is a bitch and a half. Love the title though.
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Post by Overly Attached Girlfriend on Aug 24, 2012 1:16:07 GMT -5
OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWD. I Love the Thread's name <3333 and Mike is so hot  . I wanna be your girlfriend <3 Please like my video y'all, kthxbai |
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Post by Ace Gordon on Aug 24, 2012 1:24:58 GMT -5
I'm getting real tired of that fucking video being in the recommended sidebar for anything I watch. Fuck off.
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Post by OAG on Aug 24, 2012 2:32:52 GMT -5
I'm getting real tired of that fucking video being in the recommended sidebar for anything I watch. Fuck off. Why so jealous? |
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Post by Host Lex on Aug 24, 2012 2:47:21 GMT -5
...the fuck
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Post by Kelly Sharbaugh on Aug 24, 2012 3:33:45 GMT -5
That overly attached girlfriend can suck Brett's left nut.
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Post by Host Brett on Aug 24, 2012 3:38:59 GMT -5
OAG play next season!
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Post by Ted Rogers on Aug 24, 2012 4:06:15 GMT -5
1) What was the main thing you learned from your initial season that helped you prosper in this game?To go with my gut. I think I ultimately failed SI-1 because I didn't go with my gut which was to vote off Jason when Bob Dawg had left.2) What main thing did the the other Favorites in the jury (Eliza, Mike, Judd) do to improve from their initial game (if any)?Judd was one of main Gwadatoo allies at the start of the game and despite the fact he didn't approve of me from another game, he was a great ally to me.Eliza obviously gave the immunity necklace and we made an agreement that seemed to last at least 2 rounds.
Mike, since we were seperated right away as usual, and you went on a 8 day vacation, it's hard for me to say how you improved my game. Unfortunately by the point we had merged and us having been out of communication for so long, I already had allies I did not want to betray to include you at that point.3) Since we did not make the finals, what did the other Favorites in the jury (Eliza, Mike, Judd) not learn from their first time that would have helped this time?Judd was a little bit confrontational both seasons. Right at the start he attacked me for being someone he didn't like in another game and vented a lot of frustration at Bob for Bob not telling him about the idol. I can't help but think that had SOME implication on why Bob decided to cut him loose.
Mike, in both games you went on vacation, you didn't learn to NOT GO ON A FUCKING VACATION DURING THE BEST ORG GAME ON PROBOARDS!
Eliza greatly improved her game this time. I think she made a few big moves to save herself so I don't think I can pinpoint anything negative she didn't learn from SI-2
4) Since it was the fans first chance, and non of them made the finals, what main thing do they (Kelly, Ace, Mary, Kourtney) need to learn to help them for the next time they play (if they make all stars) this series?Kourtney and Coach I suppose put targets on their back very early in the game, they should learn to keep themselves low key in the future.
I think Mary knows the mistakes she made and probably won't repeat them or trust Coach again 
Kelly and Ace I am not really sure made any mistakes, I think they were victims of being very narrowly outplayed.
Wanda's only mistake was having a shitty laptop that broke down5) What was your biggest strategic move this game, that is the reason you are in the finals and why?
I honestly think it was during the dodgeball challenge. I know its early on but when I sided with Desterados and Nesoi lost, Kourtney and Frosti really lost all their power, we gained Ace and JT and Darrah were lost, so it basically destroyed Nesoi which paved way for me to turn the attention back onto Desterados and it set the tone for the rest of the game.6) What do you think I could have done differently to survive the round I left, or survive further in general?I suppose you should have talked Eliza out of giving me the chest, but in general just talking and socializing more, I know this time real life circumstances made that difficult. 7) Since I have played with all of you before in other series you should know somewhat about me. If the round I left was not a double tribal council round, I think I would have stayed (not sure completely, but you guys would know that), how far do you think I would have gotten, and what do you think my strategy would have been moving forward in trying to get to the end. (Lets say Mary was the one that left).If Mary had left and the Final 8 was:
Bob
Ted
Jay
Ace
Mike
Coach
Eliza
Kelly
I think Eliza would have been the next target, Bob Jay Ace and I probably siding with Coach on that one for a majority of 5. After that the Gwadatoo players would have a majority, and I think things would have been similar, with Coach going 7th, Ace going 6th and you would have been probably up for 5th place unless you won immunities. I don't think Bob, Jay and I were going to turn on each otherWe had talked about playing on the same side forever, and we never do grrr.... lol
Was our agreement to work together on opposite sides real? It was on my end for a few rounds, until I realized that maybe it wasn't on your end. Again like above, I think you could have done more to keep me the round I left, and vote Kelly off, so I just want to know the reasoning behind it.At the start it honestly was, but we were seperated and had no communication for so long I just didn't see it working out. I had made so many other alliances and bonds during that time. If I had merged in a worse position, I think I could have been a member of the "Outcast" alliance and it could have actually worked out. Also if Bob had sent me over to the Desterados with you at the start I think things would have been COMPLETELY different.
As for voting Kelly over you, we knew you were very close to Eliza in the game, and Coach was close with Mary, so seperating the 2 of you was good for us. Also, Bob and Jay had sort of a showmance with Kelly and they liked her a lot.
Hope that answers your questions
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Post by Captain Bob Dawg on Aug 24, 2012 13:04:05 GMT -5
Not to play the game too hard too early. Don’t try to force things that aren’t going to happen or probably shouldn’t happen. If I not played season 1 there was a good chance I would of tried to make some highly elaborate blindside to save someone like Misty.
Eliza played a lot better than her original season. She was a fighter and refused to give up and I was really impressed by how she played. I did not think she would last long but she definitely proved me wrong.
I think had I not stuck with Gwad you would have been in a really good spot Mike. You were not really disliked by anyone and that was the main reason I think you ended up going.
Judd was more level headed than last season. He didn’t seem as bipolar as last season.
For all three none of you guys really tried to take control. You guys needed to kind of branch out more.
Don’t trust me  . Haha I think they were just kind of underestimated how tight the Gwad members specifically the favorites were. I think the best thing for them to learn is to keep your options open. I always had a back up plan and always made sure I had people to turn to if I felt in danger.
Voting out Judd with the outcast alliance. This was such a crucial move because it gained your trust, and Eliza’s trust and Kelly’s trust and that was something that I needed to ensure my safety later on. I knew Ace, Ted, and Jay were a final 3 and though I hoped that Ted would honor his F2 with me I knew that there was a good chance that he wouldn’t. Had I voted out Eliza, it would have been obvious that us 5 were together and just put a bigger target on us as a whole. Also later on assuming the 5 had been solid there was a lot better chance of a blindside of me later on in order to sure the two bald guys and a model make F3. This move made me not only trusted by some of the non Gwad people but it also made me more valuable for the Gwad alliance and really secured myself into the Final 5 or even 4 which was an easy immunity win for me.
The round you left the Gwad 4 controlled the votes so probably your best move was to get closer with Ace. I liked both you and Kelly and knew you guys trusted me for the most part (you a little more than Kelly since the round before was when we voted her) but Ace wanted you out more than Kelly so not wanting to argue Ted, Jay and I just agreed. I also think your weird relationship with Coach (I knew you were told by him to vote Kelly like me the round before) kind of made you a threat in that way. It was not really stuff you could of done that round but stuff you should have been doing before that which makes it difficult.
I could have seen you finishing 5th. I think Coach would of left the first round he didn’t win immunity just because he was a big threat so if he had lost the next challenge he would have been out and then the closer we got to the Final 4 the more I would of pushed for Kelly because of her 14 hour performance. I think though we would of played the F9 round a lot differently if it had not been a double boot because the reason we did what we did was because we knew the Gwad 4 would have the majority after the vote.
It was Ace and not Coach that was pushing for it. I knew in the grand scheme of things you two and Coach were going to be the next three out so I really did not want to argue it that much. At this point I was pretty confident I was going to the very end with Gwad so it wasn’t a huge issue between you and Kelly.
I was pretty confident after the way I played the game that no one was going to take me to the finals straight up. I just felt like in the long run I needed to get as far as I can (preferably Final 4) and just be able to win that final immunity challenge. With you two I didn’t feel like I could of made it all the way to the final 4 with you guys especially with the other guys probably gunning for me after I flipped. I did not really strongly consider it not. The only time I considered voting out Ted was at Final 5 but I was confident that I could beat him in the Finals and I was worried Kelly would go insane on the final endurance which I couldn’t do with my internet situation. The only time I would of went against Ted was if I felt that I wasn’t safe or heard strong allegations that he was against me. Anything I heard about Ted was something we had already agreed to plan so I was confident that I was fine.
Thanks for your questions Mike, It was a pleasure.
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Post by Mike Chiesl on Aug 24, 2012 17:00:47 GMT -5
Thanks everyone!
This helps a lot and good luck again to everyone
Overly Attached Girlfriend:
Call me....
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. I wanna be your girlfriend <3
. Haha I think they were just kind of underestimated how tight the Gwad members specifically the favorites were. I think the best thing for them to learn is to keep your options open. I always had a back up plan and always made sure I had people to turn to if I felt in danger.